Weber Carb

I haven't the faintest idea what carbs my last Commer had but I never had any trouble at all and she seemed to go pretty well. I wonder if one of these big 4 cylinder motor bike engines with 4 carbs could be adapted to fit the Commer. I used to have a Hillman Hunter GT and that used to move it when I put my foot down but I don't know what sort of carbs that had.
 
I started having problems with the carb on Gladys :( so bought a new old stock one from an auto jumble. Fitted it she now starts first time every time, going to down to the Welsh meeting we got 31MPG not bad, but Mr P’s got a little more with his SU conversion, can you guess what carb I fitted[?]

Gladys & Bernie
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:D Yep as les said the manufactures choice it may not be as fast as Andy's on the Welsh runs but I think that might be Heidi's driving [B)]

Gladys & Bernie
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Thanks for the help. I understand how it all works, there's not much to change on a fixed jet carb - which both the original zenith and the Weber are. The only adjustments, other than changing the jets, is the float level. My only issues are: does it have the correct jets fitted, and am I measuring the weber float level correctly, as the instructions are a bit vague:

It is essential that the following directions be complied with in order to obtain correct leveling of the float.

Make sure (only for brass float) that the same does not show any pit. Check that the float can freely slide on its axis.

Make sure that the needle valve is tightly screwed in its housing and that the pin ball of the dampening device, incorporated in the needle, is not jammed.

Keep the carburetor cover in the vertical position, since the weight of the float could lower the pin ball fitted on the needle.

Make sure that the float clip is perpendicular to the needle and does not have any indentation on the contact surface which might affect the free movement of the needle itself.

With carburetor cover in the vertical position, and float clip in light contact with the pin ball on the needle, the distance of the float from the upper surface of carburetor cover (with gasket fitted) must measure 6.5mm for brass float, and 36mm for plastic float.

After leveling has been done check that the stroke of the brass float is 6.5mm, and the plastic float is 8.5mm. If necessary adjust the position of the lug.

Check that the return hook of the needle allows it free movement on its seat.

NOTE: The operations of the leveling float must be carried out whenever it is necessary to replace float or fuel inlet needle valve. In this last case it is advisable to also replace the sealing gasket, making sure that the new needle valve is tightly screwed in its housing.


Keep the carb cover in the vertical position???? I did the measurements with the carb cover upside down, like I have done on other similar carbs, but I am now doubting whether this is correct.

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I know what I would do but I am biased you dont have to modify
the body unless your going radical like mr panky!


So, if I were to fit an SU, what manifold do I need to use?

Thanks

Andy
 
The biggest problem with the Zenith is that over time the base of the carb warps and even though there is a gasket fitted it will still suck air and cause rough running, mixture problems and even non starting in the extreme.
A good Zenith is no worse than any other carb that can be fitted to the Commer and will return good mpg....Rootes chose it for a reason!
I have had several Zeniths rebuilt by Carburettor Exchange in Leighton Buzzard Beds and never had a problem with them.[8D]

Bloody Commer`s!
 
Give Dave there a call, sorry have`nt got the number to hand, what he does`nt know about carbs is`nt worth knowing, I never go anywhere else for carb`s....they are always busy though and sometimes have a 6 week turnaround time, unless you give them a sob story;)
Tell him Alan from Whippendell Autos recommended him.:D

Bloody Commer`s!
 
Well,I have ordered a new float and service kit for the weber, and they are going to send me a jet list for the commer. If that doesn't make it any better, I will get a zenith I have sitting on the shelf a dust off, unless a decent SU plan appears. What ever happens, I am sure Dave in LB will come in useful at some point.

I guess it also doesn't help that I don't know what size my engine is..... being a PA with the original engine. I might find the engine is a 1500 and have a carb jetted for a 1725! :)
 
Thanks for the tip Alan, I have just looked him up and he has confirmed there is nothing wrong with the original carb. Apparently they do distort after a long time and need reconditioning. The charge for a Zenith is £89.50 + VAT but he cannot take any more work until next month as he is loaded with work. The telephone number is 01525 371369 quote:
Originally posted by Beachboy

The biggest problem with the Zenith is that over time the base of the carb warps and even though there is a gasket fitted it will still suck air and cause rough running, mixture problems and even non starting in the extreme.
A good Zenith is no worse than any other carb that can be fitted to the Commer and will return good mpg....Rootes chose it for a reason!
I have had several Zeniths rebuilt by Carburettor Exchange in Leighton Buzzard Beds and never had a problem with them.[8D]

Bloody Commer`s!

 
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Originally posted by Lulu

Thanks for the tip Alan, I have just looked him up and he has confirmed there is nothing wrong with the original carb. Apparently they do distort after a long time and need reconditioning. The charge for a Zenith is £89.50 + VAT but he cannot take any more work until next month as he is loaded with work. The telephone number is 01525 371369 quote:
Originally posted by Beachboy


The biggest problem with the Zenith is that over time the base of the carb warps and even though there is a gasket fitted it will still suck air and cause rough running, mixture problems and even non starting in the extreme.
A good Zenith is no worse than any other carb that can be fitted to the Commer and will return good mpg....Rootes chose it for a reason!
I have had several Zeniths rebuilt by Carburettor Exchange in Leighton Buzzard Beds and never had a problem with them.[8D]

Bloody Commer`s!





One of the main reasons for distortion of the base could be overtightening of the manifold nuts. Seen it sooooo many times on Imp Solexes.
 
One of the best things about Carburetter Exchange is that he has Commer listed in his list of vehicles and he knew immediately what sort of a carb it should be as soon as I mentioned a 1969 Commer. Handy sort of bloke to know about so a big thanks to Alan
 
Well I couldn't find Zenith, Weber or any markings to start with on ours:(
So I took a pencil rubbing round the back and found an alternative...

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Henry's oval alright!
 
Ford eh. might be off a 1.8 sierra or any of the old 1.4-1.6 fords really. but most of them were weber's

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Dolly Commer Is Here http://66.129.69.181/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6833
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gladys Crew

:D Yep as les said the manufactures choice it may not be as fast as Andy's on the Welsh runs but I think that might be Heidi's driving [B)]

Gladys & Bernie
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I think Heidi would have gone faster! Mind you, I only managed about 60. However, I would be happy with 31 mpg. I also think the fuel cap is leaking, sorry, I know the fuel cap is leaking, which doesn't help.
 
If your PA has its original engine then it will be a 1500cc unit and it should have a Solex carb fitted not a Zenith or any other make!
if it has a Weber then I will bet it is jetted wrongly because Weber never did a carb for the 1.5 Commer/Rootes engine.quote:
Originally posted by thowman
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I guess it also doesn't help that I don't know what size my engine is..... being a PA with the original engine. I might find the engine is a 1500 and have a carb jetted for a 1725! :)







Bloody Commer`s!
 
quote:
Originally posted by Beachboy

If your PA has its original engine then it will be a 1500cc unit and it should have a Solex carb fitted not a Zenith or any other make!
if it has a Weber then I will bet it is jetted wrongly because Weber never did a carb for the 1.5 Commer/Rootes engine.quote:
Originally posted by thowman

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I guess it also doesn't help that I don't know what size my engine is..... being a PA with the original engine. I might find the engine is a 1500 and have a carb jetted for a 1725! :)

Well, there's the conundrum. On all the original documentation have: the original Green logbook - it's capacity is listed as 1725. However, on the modern V5, it's down as a 1500 - go figure. It's a late PA, registered in May 1967 - and I believe the PB was introduced soon after?

Anyway, aparently the later PA's had a 1600 unit fitted. I guess without dismantling the engine, I am not going to find out the capacity.

I think it's been listed as a 1500 on the V5, because the van description in Commer 1500 wanderer, and that mistake was made when the records were computerised. Having spoken to Martin, he thinks it might be a crossover vehicle between the two?

:)






Bloody Commer`s!

 
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