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it would be a great shame to lose the number plate as that is part of the whole historic arguement but at the same time it would be an even bigger shame to lose the van so a real nasty position for you to be in at the mo Bob, i agree with everyone that says pull the claim and lets see what we can pool together and achieve, theres quite a few welders, sprayers and fitters! The van could then be used as the forum mascot! could the story be sold to the press to raise funds[?]

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Hi Bob, been reading about what has happened to you there and sending best wishes to you getting this historic van back on the road again.


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:pof course it would be a shame to lose the number plate, all i was trying to say was that if it turned out to be a worse case senario and he got nothing fom the insurance company and needed to raise some money to finish off rebuilding the van he has the number plate to fall back on. and also i think the insurers should be made aware that the plate is worth some money before they cast their offer. anyway it was just a thought thats all.;)

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And definitely worth knowing Woolfy - all angles in this must be worth having as back up plans.

Please let us know what they say and what it looks like the extent of the damage is Bob - at a guess the trickiest bit will be sourcing a suitably vintage interior, have been out of touch recently - any scrappers turned up which might have some seats & a dashboard that can be rescued for the cause? am thinking along the lines of Chris & Tim's magic field.;)

Most of the interior from my first van got chucked by my ex's family [V] otherwise you'd have been welcome to anything useable - all I have left are the two lengths of timber that go above the side windows and carry the lights - lights are still there but some damage to covers. If they're any use to you and If there proves to be anybody passing from here to there that can drop 'em off for you they're available and happily donated

Bessie - four star commerdation
 
Hi guys,been trying to get insurance to let me keep it but they wont budge,so it looks as if it`s got to go,as i need the money to either restore this one or buy another van:(:(.
 
Hi Bob,
Can you get in touch with either a government obudsman or an insurance industry obudsman to appeal against this? If so, might be a good way of arbitration with the insurance company concerned to get them to see reason why you should be able to keep the van and have it restored.
 
Don't know if this is any use, but don't give in without a fight!

http://www.ukqna.com/car/454-1-car-ukqna.html

Having suffered a total loss many years ago, another consideration in addition to the payout is to consider the true cost in terms of increased premiums. Although I had a payout on my car, I am sure that I ended up paying more than I received in subsequent hiked premiums.

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'I intend to live forever - so far, so good'
 
Not been on the forum for a while and just seen this sad news [:0]

I've not seen the whole thread but haven't seen whether you've been advised which category of 'total loss' your Commer has been categorised - this is important here !

The following ombudsman link might be useful to refer to in any discussions ;

http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/technical_notes/motor-valuation.html#16

but it essentially states ;

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16. salvage of the "written-off" vehicle and contents

Once the policyholder accepts payment of the full market value, the insurer becomes the owner of the salvage. If the policyholder asks to keep the salvage, the insurer is entitled to deduct what it would have been able to sell the salvage for. This is usually not very much.

But what if the policyholder complains that the insurer (or its agent) disposed of the salvage before paying the full market-value? At this stage, the vehicle still belongs to the policyholder, and we take the view that the insurer should not have disposed of it without first obtaining the policyholder’s consent to the settlement of the claim – even if the insurer said it was only acting in the public interest by keeping a badly-damaged vehicle off the roads. In such circumstances, and unless the insurer returns the salvage, we usually award the policyholder compensation for inconvenience.

If the policyholder had personal belongings in the vehicle when the insurer disposed of it without consent, we are likely to award the cost of replacing these – usually on a like-for-like (rather than a new-for-old) basis.

"Written-off" vehicles are categorised – according to the severity of the damage – under a voluntary code agreed between the Association of British Insurers (ABI) and salvage dealers (ABI Code of Practice for the Disposal of Motor Vehicle Salvage):

Category A vehicles are to be kept off the road and crushed.
Category B vehicles are also to be kept off the road, but could be broken up for spare parts.
Category C vehicles are repairable, but uneconomical to repair.
Category D vehicles are repairable economically, but written-off for some other reason.

Since 7 April 2003 all category A, B and C vehicles notified to DVLA must pass a Vehicle Identity Check before they can be returned to the road. This is an identity check, to confirm that the vehicle is the original one and not stolen, and does not check roadworthiness or repairs. (The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) (Amendment) Regulations 2002)



My personal view is that quite often the day-to-day claims handlers, let's just say, aren't always the most helpful ! Basically their role essentially focuses on clearing workload rather than providing the best customer service.

Insurance companies as a whole being a business are looking to minimise their expenditure and keep things are simple as possible.

Essentially it is up to you (plus representatives directly acting on your behalf) to look after your
best interests, to counter the interests of the claims handler/insurance co. etc

My first recommendation, if you've not already, is to escalate this case within the company to a senior claims manager or higher for a full review of your situation.

I suggest you document all conversions you have from here on in. The ombudsman will probably ask for this detail, should you go then go down that route.

If you're still not satisfied with any review outcome, I personally would instruct (formally in writing) your insurer's chief executive, copying in the case reviewer detailing the disatification and that it is now being be referred to the ombudman.

Then engage the ombudsman

Whilst there is no harm in understanding beforehand the ombudsman's procedures in advance and there various statements/policies relating to similar circumstances. Generally the ombudsman looks for reasonable escalation with the company first before they're engaged.

The ombudsman outline complaint procedure is here ;
http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/consumer/complaints.htm

Another useful read might include the Association of British Insurer's "Code of Practice for the Disposal of Motor Vehicle Salvage".
http://www.abi.org.uk/Information/Codes_and_Guidance_Notes/40510.pdf

I've spent many years working for an insurance company in a variety of roles and would be very happy to provide any assistance to you on this. I must confess though I'm not a claims expert but have sought some basic advice from current contacts in that area for you here.

Best of luck !!!

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Paul that is a very generous offer which I hope is taken up,Unless Bob decides to pull the claim & pull resources offered here ? (my personal choice)you would need help or a degree in insurance to tackle all that blurb.
Bob tell us you will except help with this matter please it must be awful having to go over & over it all[V]

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Originally posted by telfordbob

Hi guys,been trying to get insurance to let me keep it but they wont budge,so it looks as if it`s got to go,as i need the money to either restore this one or buy another van:(:(.



If you dont mind me asking what have the insurance paid you for your claim??
I really dont think you realise what youve got there, you will find it very very hard to replace it as there are no early models around.
If the insurance pay out is not all that much have you thought of selling it as is and not claiming?
If you really want to fight for it then take paul up on his offer to help you out. I seem to get a felling from reading your post your not to bothered about keeping it. Correct me if im wrong??
I no if it were my van they were going to take away i would be bear knuckle fighting them for it if i had to :D[B)][B)]

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Been on to insurance again to see if they could recatagorize the claim,but they say they can`t,as if i had it back and there was an accident they would be liable for letting me put it back on road.
 
Have you surrendered your V5 yet, or are you still the legal owner of the van?

Is this an issue that Bessie Bus could folow in Classics Monthly? (sorry Gary for dragging you in).

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'I intend to live forever - so far, so good'
 
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Originally posted by renaultvation

Have you surrendered your V5 yet, or are you still the legal owner of the van?

Is this an issue that Bessie Bus could folow in Classics Monthly? (sorry Gary for dragging you in).


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'I intend to live forever - so far, so good'




No problem, happy to help. I'm ahead of your suggestion and awaiting crucial facts from TelfordBob before I can proceed further...
 
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Originally posted by telfordbob
Been on to insurance again to see if they could recatagorize the claim,but they say they can`t,as if i had it back and there was an accident they would be liable for letting me put it back on road.


Sounds like they've rated CAT B or CAT A, from the pics whilst it's very sad to see IMO it doesn't look a 'total burnout' to me (not that I'm a qualified assessor) - clearly there are at least some worthwhile rare salvageable parts [:0]

For info, here is the basic ABI 'decision process' for any claims categorisation which might help clarify their thinking here ;

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(BTW : PAV = Pre Accident Valuation)

Then once they confirm their categorisation that could help you prepare any arguments against their case ...

Another thought is have you sought an recognised independent vehicle assessor/engineer's report on the 'restorability' of your Commer ? Ideally one who's 'classic friendly' and understands the passion for older vehicles and not just one who handles the everyday 'rep-mobile' / 'two-a-penny' type vehicles ? If they come to a more favourable conclusion, then that could seriously strengthen your case :)


BTW : was your policy a 'classic car' policy ? They usually have special clauses and benefits to recognise the extra considerations for salvage on rarer & older vehicles. If so, have you checked your policy booklet - don't assume the insurer always understands their own terms & conditions etc (nor as a customer your reasonable interpretation of them ;))

Really liking the sound of getting some possible media interest in your case, this always makes people wake up and take serious notice !

Unless you're desparate for the cash, hang onto that V5 whilst this is going on - they can't scrap it without it


Oh, and is your Commer tucked up nicely somewhere safe and dry which you've got access to ? (ie. not out in the open at the insurer's discretion and quietly deteriorating)

Keep your chin up - there might be a better outcome yet !

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Ok changing things completely, Bob if you think you are going to lose the fight with the insurance and have lost faith another option would be to post what the insurance company have offered you on here and see if anyone else would be interested in buying it for that money or there abouts to put it back on the road and pull the claim. by doing this you get the money and the van gets saved! just a thought[^]

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A V5 is only a record of the vehicle keeper, not necessarily the owner. Do not sign anything until you are 150% sure of what it is you're signing. Do you still have the van in your possession? If not, get it back immediately.

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If I told you I was a pathological liar, would you believe me?
 
Have just glanced at the pictures of the van from earlier in the thread and I think you might be surprised as to what it might be worth.

Get some really good pictures up of the lower half and the inside and lets get some ideas of what it is worth. I bet it would sell on eBay for a good amount. All the trim and grills are intact and there is very little actual bodywork required to most of the van, so already it is a very good resto base to start from.

If I had the money to offer I would stick my cards on the table [8D]
 
can i be rude and ask what the valuation is? the reason i ask is that beachboy recently sold a commer that was advertised for ten grand, in my crude calculation that gives someone a lot of money to chuck at the van after buying it from you and still be in pocket, thus making the van still a viable restoration case, its just going to be another case of this chuckaway society losing an important piece of motoring history because of insurance politics, i know weve been on your case from the start and you probably just want it all to finish but primarily we want the van saved and ultimately we want to see you with it at future meets:)

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