Ah cool, i think ill be able to find some perfect clamps as ive alot of freinds in the vw scene and all their roof racks mount to gutters. Ill have a hunt and let you know and send you some pics of them once i find them to see if you think they are suitable. Also are you able to curve the edges of the roof rack, by that i mean if you look at the van head on, instead if it mounting to the gutters with the frame in a right angle could it be possible to give it a gentle curve just before it mounts the gutters? I understand this is more work than the one in the Fontaine but im willing to pay more if need be. Cheers [8D]