Our Commer Autohome - Vera Nocs a brief history

I thought it was about time I put some info on our van!

She's called Vera Nocs - Vera comes from the fact that the lovely people we bought her from insisted on referring to our Commer as the veracle (imagine vehicle in a very strong Bristol accent and then change the word slightly!) Nocs comes from her reg NOC 849F.

We've had her for 2 years now (bought her off eBay from a man in bristol who also had a highwayman and a commer pickup/flatbed.

We refurbished the kitchen as it certainly wasn't original and certainly wasn't nice! All curtains were replaced and new foam and material were added.

We have been all around the Gower with her and Bath.

She ran great until about a year ago when she refused to idle. I sent her into a garage which knew nothing about old cars/vans and he managed to make her work even worse (wouldn't even start). I knew the carb was on the way out, but he made it worse. I then found someone who managed to get here running again and last September we sort of limped to the Isle of Wight for a week. She ran fine when on the road but still would not idle.

On the way back at membury services she finaly back fired a couple of times and then gave up the fight.

We came home on the back of a low loader which was fun!!! It is great breaking down in camper though as you can make as many coffees etc as you would like waiting for the truck.

Over the winter I replaced the carburretor (good old Speedy's) but then on 'firing up' day.......nothing. No spark.

I then replaced plugs, points leads, coil, points and condensor. finally she started. I thought then that the problems were over............wrong!

on the way to the Gower she ran great for 40 miles and then started misfiring. This all culminated 10 yards from the campsite with a cab full of smoke and the engine juddering to a halt. Then it all mysteriously cleared and we drove onto the campsite!

I had a look once our camp was setup and it turned out that the 12v wire feeding the brake switch had decided after 40 years that it really didn't want to be insulated anymore and touched the first bit of metal that it could. At this point, the fuse decided it didn't want to work either so put as much current as it could through the wire. It manage to melt right the way up the loom from the fuse box to the engine bay. Luckily no other wires were damaged although a rewire WILL be happening this winter.

I replaced the wire and then everything was good..........until the journey home when she started misfiring again and we also had a couple of backfires.

We did manage to get home this time but I was now determined to sort this once and for all. Out came the old dizzy and a nice new shiny electronic dizzy was fitted. I also cleaned the fuel filter bowl which had more sand in it than any of the Gower beaches we'd been near.

The result now is a van that runs really smoothly, which is great (and lucky) considering that we are taking her to France in 3 weeks!.

We have a list of jobs as long as both mine and my wife's arms to do for this winter:

Rebuild inside of coach (a few small leaks, rotting wood)
Strip cab area and respray (my wife is doing the spraying and I am going to learn to weld (eek).

Get one of those nice shiny aluminium fuel tanks.

Replace king pins (yeuch)
Rewire.
This may not all happen this winter, but it has to be done.
Possibly overhaul the brakes ....well the things that sort of slow the van down a bit rather than stop it.

She's an eye catcher already but imagine how lovely it will be when she's resprayed!!!!!!

One thing I have learnt from owning a classic is that really modern cars just don't have any character - I drove my Dad's Honda CRV the other day, it has sat nav, cruise control, and everything you would want, but it was just boring compared to our lovely Commer.

It has taught me loads about engines/ignition/timing and not rushing to get anywhere because you just can't!

Here are some photos and I will update on progress as we do more over the winter.

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Dave
 
fantastic, love the name - I can picture the accent perfectly:D. Best of luck with the rebuilding and welding lessons - great to hear of another loved commer in Wales - safe trip to France:)

Bessie - four star commerdation
 
and the best thing when camping with friends in tents is the gloating right? :D
 
Am I mistaken, but surely the van/chassis is older that the body! Does anyone know when the Autohome body was introduced? I thought it was about 1972 alongside the Highwayman. If not, this must be the oldest surviving example.

I'll put my anorak away now and just admire another great van. :)
 
To be honest I'm not sure. This body could be younger than the van although the dashboard appears to be from the later models too.

Who knows, all I know is that it is tax free!!!!

If anyone could shed any light on this I would be fascinated! Perhaps the coach was put on later???

Cheers

Dave
 
You're quite right renaultvation, Autohome body by CI first came out late 1971. Pretty obvious to all what has gone on here!;)
 
Excellent looks luvly [^]not unusal for someone to take 2x vans & make one good one...Welcome to the mad house,perhaps the pick-up flatbed was originaly a CI ? does it matter you love it & use it for what it is now [8D]
people take vans & turn them into campers & allsorts.
I would quite like one of these [^]

"SYBHIL" & N0.1
 
What does that mean?

Has the reg for an earlier model been put onto this one to make it tax exempt at some time?

Or do you think that the autohome body was put on later by someone who maybe converted it from a van??

Can I find out from the chassis number when it was really made?

I'm not bothered as it saves on the tax but would love to know!

Cheers

Dave
 
you could ask the person you purchased from,I don't think it's any thing to worry about ? It's not been cu t & sh ut if it had I would be worried :)
There is probably a simple explanation,perhaps a shunt at some point,Damp etc
why do people take the later spacevan & remove the plastic grill ?
why do we do engine transplants ?
why am I stealing parts from one van to put on another?
I personal wouldn't worry about it,but would ask for information from the seller out of curiosity.

"SYBHIL" & N0.1
 
Either way, it's a great van.

I will check the chassis number but am pretty sure it is a genuine 68 one.

As for the body, it's definitely quite old as the wood is rotten!

As you say, it doesn't matter at all.

The great thing is that generally it is solid so not too much welding to do in the winter!

Cheers

Dave
 
Also, I know that the flatbed he had was not originally a flatbed but a van so there has probably been some shifting about of other stuff too.

Dave
 
Nice van but I sense trouble ahead! If its had its ID changed so it becomes tax exempt someone is going to be in bother with DVLA and Revenue and Customs, they will want all the back tax from when the ID was switched then there will be a hefty fine for the fraud and likely as not the van will be seized and destroyed. The tax people do not take kindly to fraud even if the current owner is an innocent party, if you own it your resposible for it! Of course all may be well and it could be a post 71 CI body on an older Commer chassis and as long as no one in authority realises the van is`nt right for the year there will be no problems, trouble is these things have a habit of being found out. Be carefull out there.
 
its a real nice van :) i would say do not worry about it, probably a later body been put on ;)

"you were only supposed to blow the bloody SLIDING doors off no.3"
 
There is nothing unusual about old vehicles being updated by their owners. The big dash could well have been fitted as an 'improvement' from the donor when the body was grafted on.

'Harvey the RV'
 
Me thinks there are a few people that are reading too much into an observation made by someone on the fact that there is a '68 van with a 71 or later autohome body on it.

Yes, it could be a ringer, but probably not.
It could have had an earlier reg put on an older van, but probably not.
there are so many maybe's what ifs etc etc

the facts are that it is a great van, I love driving it, fixing it and camping in it.


There will always be people worrying that perhaps this is a later van with an earlier reg borrowed but I do not believe that this is the case and frankly I don't care.

It is perfectly conceivable that a later autohome body was put on it after it was made, just in the same way that I have put an electronic distributor on it and fitted a CD player!

Also, as other people have mentioned, the original dash could have been replaced as an improvement, there could have been a fire (I've had a small one of them myself!) or any other thing could have happened. Two vans may have been put together to make one and having another classic (an MG Midget) I know that as long as you use the original running gear (I am reshelling my Midget) you can use the original reg and chassis number etc - that info has come from the DVLA themselves.

I am glad to have started a great debate and appreciate people's concern but I think that as mentioned above:

There is no doubt it is a Commer
We love it!
Let's just have some fun fun fun!!!!

If the man from the DVLA comes knocking on my door (which he won't), I'll invite him into the van, make him a cup of coffee or perhaps something stronger and he will know the love of Commer ownership!

you shouldn't have to pay tax for ANY Commer - they are beauties and should have a special status of being tax exempt due to sheer originality and the fact that every time I drive past someone, they smile.

Hope that wasn't too much of a rant, but please, no more comments about ringers and DVLA, life's too short. I believe this van to be the genuine article with a later body and it's what you believe not what you know that matters.

Cheers



Dave
 
quote:
Originally posted by carcamper

You're quite right renaultvation, Autohome body by CI first came out late 1971. Pretty obvious to all what has gone on here!;)



I don' think it is pretty obvious what has gone on here.

We could even assume that it was a late 71 body and even then it would be tax exempt.

There could be many explanations what has happened over its 40 year history and no amount of speculation would arrive at a satisfactory conclusion.

As much as I would love to find out the full history of the van, I can't see this happening although I believe that you can write to the DVLA and get a full list of previous owners. Does anyone know how to go about doing this?
Cheers

Dave
 
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