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how can you compare vw's with commer's [:0]
so fewer about (not as rare as we first thought when joining the forum)but enough to warrant reproduction panels(will be ordering panels woolfy as & when we can).It's not about making loads of money but keeping these beauty's on the road one way or another I am sure most of us would like nice new metal at some point or another but until that can be achieved,we have to make do.....keep up the good work woolfy excellent sevice [^]
Sybhil & no1
so fewer about (not as rare as we first thought when joining the forum)but enough to warrant reproduction panels(will be ordering panels woolfy as & when we can).It's not about making loads of money but keeping these beauty's on the road one way or another I am sure most of us would like nice new metal at some point or another but until that can be achieved,we have to make do.....keep up the good work woolfy excellent sevice [^]
Sybhil & no1
having had toolmaking and patternmaking experience, i can say that 3k for the tooling is very cheap.
darkside panels are much simpler design and are probably made easily as the press tools are still about, and the market for them is big.commers on the other hand do not have such luxuries available too them, hence all woolfys panels are hand made and it takes plenty of time to do them, which has to be paid for. so really woolfys panels are very reasonably priced, i don,t think you would get a rear corner for an aston martin for similar money, and its no more work than a commer one.
its great if we can help each other out and make use of our skills to help out, but lets not critisize the one person who has put alot of time/effort/money into keeping our vans rust free
woolfy, i am still able to investigate the resin tooling route, it would probably be much cheaper
"you were only supposed to blow the bloody SLIDING doors off"
darkside panels are much simpler design and are probably made easily as the press tools are still about, and the market for them is big.commers on the other hand do not have such luxuries available too them, hence all woolfys panels are hand made and it takes plenty of time to do them, which has to be paid for. so really woolfys panels are very reasonably priced, i don,t think you would get a rear corner for an aston martin for similar money, and its no more work than a commer one.
its great if we can help each other out and make use of our skills to help out, but lets not critisize the one person who has put alot of time/effort/money into keeping our vans rust free
woolfy, i am still able to investigate the resin tooling route, it would probably be much cheaper
"you were only supposed to blow the bloody SLIDING doors off"
Jon
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if you knew anything about restoring old vehicles jon you would know that nine times out of ten you never get back what you put in in the first place. unless its something special, secondly the vw s are just as expensive to restore but because there is a much bigger following the demand for the panels is greater, so if you can sell more panels it would pay to have a proper pressing made up for each individual panel, ive looked into this and the costs are frightening, £3000.00 to make the tooling or pressing plates ,then you have a machine setting up cost of $400.00. and then you have to have a minimum run of 100 panels pressed @ £65.00 per panel, this amounts to £10.000+vat and thats for one individual panel, and just incase you didnt know theres about twenty different panels on the commer pb. you can work the rest out yourself. or are (you) going to splash out and make them all?. since the introduction of my panels the cost of the commers has risen also , they are no longer fetching £200.00 but more like £2000.00 and upwards.the panels cost money because of the man hours it takes to produce them by hand.
You make me laugh woolfy ive restored quite a few classics and own several so belive it or not i do actually know what im doing and have qualifications in this area! It just makes me wonder how much your paying to have the panels made and how much your putting on the price for yourself as i understand you dont make them yourself.I understand you have to make a proffit just hope its not all about proffit and about keeping the vans on the road and helping people as thats what we all do on here or i like to think so anyway.Not having a pop but must have hit a nerv from your reply just calm down a bit you only seem to be happy when your in the lime light!Hats off to you woolfy for what your tryin to do
Originally posted by woolfy
if you knew anything about restoring old vehicles jon you would know that nine times out of ten you never get back what you put in in the first place. unless its something special, secondly the vw s are just as expensive to restore but because there is a much bigger following the demand for the panels is greater, so if you can sell more panels it would pay to have a proper pressing made up for each individual panel, ive looked into this and the costs are frightening, £3000.00 to make the tooling or pressing plates ,then you have a machine setting up cost of $400.00. and then you have to have a minimum run of 100 panels pressed @ £65.00 per panel, this amounts to £10.000+vat and thats for one individual panel, and just incase you didnt know theres about twenty different panels on the commer pb. you can work the rest out yourself. or are (you) going to splash out and make them all?. since the introduction of my panels the cost of the commers has risen also , they are no longer fetching £200.00 but more like £2000.00 and upwards.the panels cost money because of the man hours it takes to produce them by hand.
You make me laugh woolfy
ive restored quite a few classics and own several so belive it or not i do actually know what im doing and have qualifications in this area! It just makes me wonder how much your paying to have the panels made and how much your putting on the price for yourself as i understand you dont make them yourself.I understand you have to make a proffit just hope its not all about proffit and about keeping the vans on the road and helping people as thats what we all do on here or i like to think so anyway.Not having a pop but must have hit a nerv from your reply just calm down a bit you only seem to be happy when your in the lime light!Hats off to you woolfy for what your tryin to do 
I wish there was someone like Woolfy in the Renault Classic Car Club. With probably fewer than 30 cars like mine surviving, nobody is going to start making panels. Fortunately it doesn't have any fluted panels, so the most difficult panel I have had to make is a rear wheelarch. The nearest thing I have made to a fluted panel is a repair section for the floor and that was not easy. I take my hat off to you Woolfy at creating some very complex panels and wish you every success with the business. [^]
Chris.
'It's not a proper slider'
Chris.
'It's not a proper slider'
well seeing as you asked, i make about fifteen% on the cost of the panels,but from this i have to pay for the up keep of the web site , ive just placed an addvert in practical van and pic up and also got us a mention, and i have to pay the tax ect and then re invest in trying to reproduce the next panel ect. so not much left from what i make really is there.these panel beaters charge around £20 per hour or they charge a price by the panel, for instance a rear corner cost me £150.00.[V]
Well Woolfy & Jon, strikes me that this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship - you two could make wonderful panels together[:X]
From the dealings with Woolfy I've had Ive never had the impression it was about profit, and Bessie and I are hugely grateful for Woolfys valiant efforts on our behalf.[:X]
As is fairly common for folks in these reduced times money is not something I have much of, but if I did I would love to invest more in developing the tooling capable of producing these things. The same goes for Tims' tanks & manifolds, another pioneer. If me lottery numbers come up then I look forward to partaking of some crafted metal, until then it'll be 'make do & mend' or should that be 'plate up & patch'[?]:I
It would be wonderful Jon if your experience will be able to help Woolfy look at how to reduce his overheads for the further good of Commerkind [^]
Bessie - four star commerdation
From the dealings with Woolfy I've had Ive never had the impression it was about profit, and Bessie and I are hugely grateful for Woolfys valiant efforts on our behalf.[:X]
As is fairly common for folks in these reduced times money is not something I have much of, but if I did I would love to invest more in developing the tooling capable of producing these things. The same goes for Tims' tanks & manifolds, another pioneer. If me lottery numbers come up then I look forward to partaking of some crafted metal, until then it'll be 'make do & mend' or should that be 'plate up & patch'[?]:I
It would be wonderful Jon if your experience will be able to help Woolfy look at how to reduce his overheads for the further good of Commerkind [^]
Bessie - four star commerdation
Jon
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Originally posted by woolfy
well seeing as you asked, i make about fifteen% on the cost of the panels,but from this i have to pay for the up keep of the web site , ive just placed an addvert in practical van and pic up and also got us a mention, and i have to pay the tax ect and then re invest in trying to reproduce the next panel ect. so not much left from what i make really is there.these panel beaters charge around £20 per hour or they charge a price by the panel, for instance a rear corner cost me £150.00.[V]
Woolfy that is shocking how much your suppliers are charging you for a rear corner the way the finacial climate is cant you get anyone cheper to knock them up?[:0]
Originally posted by woolfy
well seeing as you asked, i make about fifteen% on the cost of the panels,but from this i have to pay for the up keep of the web site , ive just placed an addvert in practical van and pic up and also got us a mention, and i have to pay the tax ect and then re invest in trying to reproduce the next panel ect. so not much left from what i make really is there.these panel beaters charge around £20 per hour or they charge a price by the panel, for instance a rear corner cost me £150.00.[V]
Woolfy that is shocking how much your suppliers are charging you for a rear corner the way the finacial climate is cant you get anyone cheper to knock them up?[:0]
Thanks for the info, keep op the good work and forget the wiseguys!!!
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Originally posted by woolfy
yes like mart said there are a few dodge space van fronts knocking about , of which i have one .but no pbs[V]
Super Super Cool
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Originally posted by woolfy
yes like mart said there are a few dodge space van fronts knocking about , of which i have one .but no pbs
[V]Super Super Cool
thats what ive been saying to alot of people on the forum im currently trying to find someone else and even trying to buy the correct eqipment to enable me to take someone on and make the panels on a day rate bases rather than by the individual panel, this would result in the cost of the panels coming down in price a bit, but its finding someone good enough and also having the funding for all the correct machinery. for example an english wheel cost over a thousand pounds and thats just the start of it.
getting a good skilled panel beater for £20 hr is very good, they are a dying breed and can charge much more. at £150 a corner thats 7.5 hrs work. if someone can "knock one up" quicker for less i would very much like to see it [:0]
"you were only supposed to blow the bloody SLIDING doors off"
"you were only supposed to blow the bloody SLIDING doors off"
the thing is tim he doesnt even tell me how long they take sometimes, he just looks at the complexity of it and puts a price to it. the other thing is as well hes good at what he does, and he knows this. when i first left school i did panel beating for a year or so and i can do a little bit myself, but nothing on the same league as him,hes had fifteen years or so experiance, and like i said its having all the right equipment, you would need a shrinker stretcher , an english wheel. a swagger, a decent size metal bender, a gillotene. and much more which would cost you thousands of pounds up front before you even start, you would have to sell hundreds of panels just to re coupe your out lay before you start making any kind of proffit. but some people dont see that side of it all. trust me ive looked into lots of different ways of getting these made cheaper for us all, and if i could i would. marts trying to make the rear corners for us in fibre glass because he said it would be cheaper. and my hat comes off to him we havent fallen out about it at all. if you ask many people on here who know me ive tried to help them out with the costs and panels where i can,by either giving stuff to people for free or cheaper, or if they place a reasonable sized order i tend to throw something else in as a thank you or i help out with a bit of discount.
when commers near the 10 grand mark then everyones a winner,,except first time buyers,dont be surprised if prices dont start rising since people seen ours the feedback amazin ,needless to say they are on the lookout for vanseven at that price dirkwould not be for sale....were all in it together but small profits sometimes need to be made to carry on[8D]
even at that price dirkwould not be for sale....were all in it together but small profits sometimes need to be made to carry on[8D]
back on my van i am still hunting a rear corner and turning up bits on the way think this may come in handy[}]
i am still hunting a rear corner and turning up bits on the way think this may come in handy[}]
Oooh, nice indeed
Shame you can't put sheet metal into a photocopier and print off a few copies of this !
But then we've always got Woolfy but I'm not sure he's got a peak template ...
Any chance this could go on loan if not immediately needed, I'd buy a Woolfy repro for sure
Shame you can't put sheet metal into a photocopier and print off a few copies of this !
But then we've always got Woolfy but I'm not sure he's got a peak template ...
Any chance this could go on loan if not immediately needed, I'd buy a Woolfy repro for sure
Yes he has, I lent him one last year